tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post4656915075688965259..comments2024-01-15T22:40:22.067-05:00Comments on Vegan FAQs: Is horseback riding vegan?Dinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12012498879329379828noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-596411482443531062014-10-15T22:58:53.770-04:002014-10-15T22:58:53.770-04:00Isn't saddlery a separate issue?Isn't saddlery a separate issue?Sub-Tropicaligalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10215782207900980979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-70407350226921564312014-10-15T22:57:58.305-04:002014-10-15T22:57:58.305-04:00What if you have a dog vegans? It wants to come w/...What if you have a dog vegans? It wants to come w/ you to work...some of you do have to work right?...you say, "stay boy" and close the gate to you yard as you head out...you hear a slight whine or simper as you get in your car...Bummer. Poor abused dog?Sub-Tropicaligalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10215782207900980979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-60438460392339822022014-10-15T22:51:42.375-04:002014-10-15T22:51:42.375-04:00That is simply untrue. My filly at 2 months old wo...That is simply untrue. My filly at 2 months old would hop back n forth over a river for fun. Tucking her legs and rounding her neck and back. Same as any good jumper position w/ a good rider atop.Sub-Tropicaligalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10215782207900980979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-27305234278115072662014-10-07T04:33:43.238-04:002014-10-07T04:33:43.238-04:00I hope that's a joke. A hand can be used to pe...I hope that's a joke. A hand can be used to pet or hit, yes. I'm trying to think of anything you can do to a horse with a whip that is non abusive or pain causing. Silly argument. Are you brushing the horse with the whip? Maybe whipping him/her an apple off a tree? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-41768146270184091872014-08-17T04:01:08.352-04:002014-08-17T04:01:08.352-04:00"I have seen with my own eyes, examples of ho..."I have seen with my own eyes, examples of horses who despite living essentially free with other horses in a more or less natural condition (in huge, huge pastures with acres of land, equal to the size of a herd's territory in the wild) still approach humans, probably mostly for food, but also in some cases because they view this human as another horse, and since horses are sociable creatures, they want to interact with the human."<br /><br />Wild horses see humans as a predator. They would never deliberately approach us.blogbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18029519906193388609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-30398111163553906152014-08-17T03:49:04.168-04:002014-08-17T03:49:04.168-04:00Wild horses evolved in open grasslands where there...Wild horses evolved in open grasslands where there are NO objects to jump over.<br /><br />A wild horse will normally only jump an obstacle under three conditions 1) it has no choice 2) it can see clearly what's on the other side and 3) the obstacle is very low such as a fallen log. <br /><br />A horse will never deliberately choose to jump an obstacle.blogbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18029519906193388609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-65937193617120630352014-08-17T03:40:54.470-04:002014-08-17T03:40:54.470-04:00If no one rode horses there would be no horses bre...If no one rode horses there would be no horses bred. That means there would be no horses killed. <br /><br />blogbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18029519906193388609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-63301946266483284292014-08-17T03:33:17.456-04:002014-08-17T03:33:17.456-04:00A horse will get plenty of exercise just by being ...A horse will get plenty of exercise just by being kept in a large paddock. They don't need to gallop.<br /><br />blogbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18029519906193388609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-6394481051530916852014-08-17T03:28:23.666-04:002014-08-17T03:28:23.666-04:00"I would love to work an hour or two a day an..."I would love to work an hour or two a day and have all my needs and wants taken care of."<br /><br />None of the horses needs or wants are being taken care of. A wild horse doesn't need shelter, a dentist or a farrier. <br />blogbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18029519906193388609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-31445288483449133512014-06-27T16:42:05.362-04:002014-06-27T16:42:05.362-04:00Ally -- thank you for your post. I also have an OT...Ally -- thank you for your post. I also have an OTTB (aged 8) whom I feel will welcome a short ride,but I stop after 15-20 minutes to avoid any pain in his back. I only ride very lightly (English) at walk and a little trot. I have also begun lunging for exercise to help keep him fit. A short session (either a brief ride or lunging -- both no more than 20 minutes) is all they need. All else is play, pasture and good care. He is a happy, playful horse, full of comedy and fun, and he knows I know that he is happy with just a little work.<br />I can tell from his behavior. He is a good, trustworthy horse, and when I go to put him back into the large pasture with his friends, he often does not want to go in. He seems to really enjoy our being together. I think you need to 'read and understand' your horse. I have another horse that truly loves to jump. He doesn't mind if he's saddled or untacked and running free in the pasture. He will jump any obstacle in a field because he loves it. <br /><br />Please look at the website of Alexander Nevzorov...the amazing Russian horseman. It's an eye opener. I am working now 3/4 ground work (including play, hand-trotting and hand-walking, and 1/4 riding, but only for 15-20 minutes.<br /><br />We all wish we had 50 or more acres, but most of us do not have that space. The best we can do is to love and care for our horses, let them be horses with their herd members (or other animals) and keep them safe and well.<br /><br />Working or exercising them for 20 minutes a day or every other day, keeps them healthy and keeps their muscles strong, helping prevent injury. It's no much for them, when they have 23-1/2 hours off to play, run, rest and socialize.<br /><br />Give horses run-in stall in a/barn, and you will find they come home each evening to rest and choose to be with their human friend.<br /><br />Blessings to you.<br />.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-33568091049348299232014-02-22T11:05:06.482-05:002014-02-22T11:05:06.482-05:00In the wild, because horses are running over all k...In the wild, because horses are running over all kinds of terrain, the hooves wear down naturally. It's like how gerbils wear down their teeth naturally in the wild, but in cages at home, they need help with it. Dinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12012498879329379828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-55435808922287431212014-01-16T17:22:12.177-05:002014-01-16T17:22:12.177-05:00some who like to say they are vegan partake in hon...some who like to say they are vegan partake in honey. that is not what a vegan. they don't eat wear use any species for anythingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-16293106848723881762013-11-21T08:02:27.185-05:002013-11-21T08:02:27.185-05:00I don't ride horses at all, but I've been ...I don't ride horses at all, but I've been reading this discussion with interest and am leaning towards agreeing with the people who care for their horses and ride them if they get encouraging signs from the horse. I have a question. Someone was saying that horses need all this treatment and their hooves trimmed etc. As far as the hoof trimming, I was just wondering how horses in the wild managed that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-41266999855513637672013-09-23T22:10:59.486-04:002013-09-23T22:10:59.486-04:00"No ability to make any personal decisions ab..."No ability to make any personal decisions about his life, where he goes and when, stop, go, turn, gallop, sleep now, eat now -none of those decisions are his, who he sees, cannot ever see his family, is forcefully taken from his mother, cannot choose his own mate, etc, etc."<br /><br />Obviously someone doesn't know horses as much as they claim to.<br /><br />Horses in the wild are more likely than not found in herds. They have a pecking order, and every horse answers to someone higher. More often than not, they are not permitted to roam where they please. If they stray too far from the herd, either the lead mare or the stallion of the group would chase them down and depending on the situation, drive them away or drive them back into the herd. <br /><br />Their movements are dictated by other horses. <br />THEIR MOVEMENTS ARE DICTATED WHETHER THEY ARE WILD OR DOMESTIC. <br /><br />Horses who do not display dominant traits are in need of a leader. And while I'm sure we'd all love to set our horses free into the wild, we can't do that with the horses of today. To set these horses free would guarantee untimely demise. <br /><br />I 100% agree with no more breeding. 100%.<br /><br />"Forcefully taken from its mother"<br /><br />Now even a naive horse lover ought to realize that the mare herself weans her baby from her in the wild. She pushes him away when the time comes, and the baby screams and screams and she will refuse to acknowledge him. <br /><br />Choosing its own mate: really? Horses don't have mates. They are breeding machines in the wild. Their instincts (sadly) tell them to breed. <br /><br />The mare most often does not choose. The stallion does. If replaced with humans, it would be considered rape. <br /><br />To guarantee rights to horses would be to neuter every horse in existence, wild or domestic. <br /><br />Or drive them into extinction. Either way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-85663775913720796582013-09-17T06:19:48.163-04:002013-09-17T06:19:48.163-04:00look my horse must hate me. just wait until he pas...look my horse must hate me. just wait until he passes that corner :)<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoOqzDgKbjcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-43389506817141759182013-09-17T05:22:21.069-04:002013-09-17T05:22:21.069-04:00IS IT VEGAN TO HAVE CHILDREN?
because after read...IS IT VEGAN TO HAVE CHILDREN? <br /><br />because after reading this topic I'm not sure anymore... You see I don't know how parent can not be superior over a child. In early stages parents decide when and what their child eats, they control weather and when the child can go out and when he/she is supposed to be back, they make the child to do house stuff and if the child refuses to obey it's usually punished somehow so he/she does it eventually. So if it's unethical to some of you to have pets including horses, then I don't think it's etical to have children as well. in my opinion you’re taking things a little bit to far, and it does start being like religion when you speak this way. Don't forget that pet owners are the most prone people to go vegan because they see friends in animals, they understand more than others that animals have their own personalities, needs and fears and can't be treated like unconscious objects. So please don't say that the thing that actually MADE them go vegan is not vegan!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-23057713412785807342013-07-16T21:13:41.208-04:002013-07-16T21:13:41.208-04:00I don't actually have a horse, nor am I really...I don't actually have a horse, nor am I really interested in riding horses but I'm a vegan and for a while now I've been wondering about this. There are country lanes I walk down and it's horrible with all the farming around but the sight of a horse always cheers me up, because I think 'at least they're not going to the abbatoir!' but there's always been this nagging doubt in my mind about whether it's right to ride them. This blog has really cleared things up for me - from what I've read here I've made up my mind that it's not okay. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-65724532417276026802013-06-11T03:11:12.063-04:002013-06-11T03:11:12.063-04:00You obviously have no idea what you're talking...You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, Snow, and it doesn't sound like you know anywhere near as much about horses as you think you do.<br /><br />Spurs and whips are not a punishment. They are an extension of the body- nothing more. I can use my hand to hit, and I can use my hand to pet. The same principle applies to whips and spurs. Can they be used improperly? Yes. Does that mean the use of them is abusive? No more than petting a horse is.<br /><br />If I tap (and when I say tap, I mean tap, soft enough a baby wouldn't mind it) my horse to ask him to do something, how is that abusive? All I'm doing is asking him something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-8569061475605039302013-05-31T10:21:54.846-04:002013-05-31T10:21:54.846-04:00Thankfulness to my dad who informed me relating to... Thankfulness to my dad who informed me relating to this blog, this website is really amazing..<br /><a href="http://empirecoachbuilders.com/contact-us" rel="nofollow">empire</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-8104124273743753792013-04-09T16:29:01.928-04:002013-04-09T16:29:01.928-04:00Were horses ever meant to be ridden? I mean, if t...Were horses ever meant to be ridden? I mean, if they weren't so big and powerful, would we even consider riding them or using them as machines? Do any of your other household pets have "chores"? My point: horses (nor any other animal) weren't created so that their liberty could be taken away, and be forced to carry/pull/push/run/jump, etc., no? And from the vegan perspective, isn't most saddlery made of leather? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-18273150978423441932013-04-07T01:05:22.356-04:002013-04-07T01:05:22.356-04:00People, seriously??? Please, fellow vegans, stop b...People, seriously??? Please, fellow vegans, stop being so self-righteous, and stop puffing up your chests and say how "real" vegans wouldn't ride horses or apparently have dogs (loved the message that somebody wrote mentioning that because somebody wouldn't deign to have "pets" some dog or cat somewhere was going to die in shelter - good point!) Of course horses shouldn't be abused any more than any other creature, including humans. But don't tell me that I'm not a vegan because I ride a horse. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-78826768636519053742013-02-10T11:53:48.284-05:002013-02-10T11:53:48.284-05:00Having a “special bond with a horse” is probably a...Having a “special bond with a horse” is probably a lie. Everyone wants to/can have a special bond with his or her horse, or along with most other horses; but it’s not possible to have a ‘special bond with ALL/MOST horses' in general. Yes, horses are more than just horses. They are companions, friends, and family. If you say you use patience, I’d expect you to never have to use a whip or spur on a horse; and you just admitted you did. Whips and Spurs are what hurt the horse and make them think “Better obey, don’t want to get hit or have spurs smash into my sides.” Even the mention of using one for any reason is wrong. I ride my horses bareback to avoid hurting their back with a comfortable cotton stuffed pad that makes it easy to bare my 115 pounds. I have not one ever used a whip or spur on my horses, I don’t even own any. If my horse does not want to go through a gate, I simply climb off and lead them through after showing them that it’s okay.<br />You admitted you used a whip or spur sometimes for “encouragement”, it’s NOT encouragement. If you put one part of a whip or spur on a horse you’re abusing them to force them to go do something that YOU, as the rider, want. Your “encouragement” and “bond” are false truths to cover up the fact you still force a horse to do what they don’t want to do.<br /><br />"Encouragement my ass." as some would say.Snownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-2388724283834714172013-02-08T15:24:03.868-05:002013-02-08T15:24:03.868-05:00Interesting discussion.
However consider this. T...Interesting discussion.<br /><br />However consider this. This world, this universe is creation and destruction. In the distant sky supernovae are occurring and destroying thousands of planets at a time. In your body your immune system is killing millions of organisms as it defends itself from bacteriae and viruses.<br /><br />Non-violence and non-exploitation are worthy ... but not possible.<br /><br />A much deeper understanding of human life is needed. We live in this universe of creation and destruction, and the love that the vegetarians and good people want ... must be found at a much deeper level than the obvious.<br /><br />Superficial answers are ... superficial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-69201707051044052122013-01-02T14:52:30.084-05:002013-01-02T14:52:30.084-05:00i'm 14 and although i may be young i do have m...i'm 14 and although i may be young i do have my opinions and i would like to speak my mind realting this subject. i have been vegetarian for about six months now and i plan to become a vegan. i also practise horseriding for more than six years. lately i've been thinking about this subject, wheter it is wrong to ride a horse. i don't really care if PETA or anyone says if it's vegan or not, just if i feel like it is. <br />my opinion is that it isn't wrong, at least in the way i and many people practise horseriding. the effort a horse has to put to cary someone can't be compared to the effort that a person has to put to cary other person. the strenght a horse has is much bigger than human strenght!<br />whipes, spurs, bridles, all that equipment doesn't hurt a horse when it is used the right way. i mean, horse riders are the biggest horse lovers i know and i think that someone who has never rode a horse couldn't understand that completely. although a horse is broken in it never loses its freedom and i guarantee you that if the horse was in pain the rider would be thrown to the ground really quickly.<br />and besides, you can talk about the riding and the whiping and all the "bad" things but what about the good stuff? the baths and the combing and the treats and the peting. i also don't like seeing the horses closed in small spaces but when horses have a big field to run, food to eat, people who give them love everyday they can be happy, even if they have people riding them.<br />if horses were that miserable they wouldn't bond with people like they do.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4225918268806787791.post-23464107360424475992012-11-08T03:46:07.900-05:002012-11-08T03:46:07.900-05:00Saying that human relationships with horses is sla...Saying that human relationships with horses is slavery is ridiculous.<br />I am privileged to live with a beautiful 20 year old horse named Poppy that I rescued two years ago. I took him from a situation where his hooves had not been trimmed in years, he was not fed, or even brushed in five years.<br />In the early days he was very skittish. Part of building trust was in hand exercise on a lunge line [no, the lunge whip is not actually a whip. It is a directional tool raised or moved different ways to change pace or to send the horse farther away from you]. Later, we began to go for walks. This horse, who had never been ridden in his life, didn't need to be 'broken' or bullied by me to enjoy trail rides together.<br />Every morning I feed him hay and grain. I spend almost an hour grooming him; brushing him with 8 different brushes, applying flyspray, hoof oil, picking his hooves, sponging his mouth and eyes. I spend another hour doing things like cleaning his stall and carrying bags of bedding. He has a spacious, run in stall padded with stall matts and 2-3 bags of wood shavings. He gets his hooves trimmed every 6 weeks, wormed every 8 weeks, given shots once a year, and has his teeth filed once a year. In the summer he wears flymasks and is shaved so he doesn't get too hot, in the winter he wears a heavy blanket to keep him warm. He gets the best grain, hay, and supplements I can afford.<br />He follows me around without a lead, even outside of fenced areas. He'll even chase me if I run. If I sit, he'll stop and lay his head over my back until he falls asleep. We can stay like this for hours.<br />He gets most of the day to himself to do whatever he pleases. He lives with two llamas and two goats on 13 acres.<br />And yes, an hour out of the day, I ride him. We go on walks through the woods or down the street to see his friends. I ride him bareback with a halter or bitless bridle. He gets liniment on his legs to help prevent damage to the muscles when he exercises.<br />He also happens to love to jump. He will take off running when I'm riding him simply to jump over a log. He enjoys it. If I don't jump him a few times a week, he loses muscle and becomes depressed.<br />If he's tired or sweating, I get off. He falls asleep on my shoulder again. He feels nothing bad towards me simply because I exercised him.<br />My horse is extremely happy, loved, and healthy. Even vets don't believe he's 20 years old because he has the energy, look, and health of a 3 year old.<br />I am vegan, and I love my horse. Riding is an important part of our routine. <br />This is my horse. Does he look enslaved or abused?<br />http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9qjaxAeSa1qc2xf8o1_1280.jpg asleep on me<br />http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzs9bthNJj1qc2xf8o1_1280.jpg jumping, ears perked and enjoying himself<br />http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5uue3zdsh1qc2xf8o1_1280.jpg in his favourite place with plenty of grass.Bachgennesnoreply@blogger.com